Section 13
(Note: This interview took place on February 20, 2009. I figured I should post it from my other blog site: http://agoldenworld.vox.com/ since I introduced this situation earlier on this site.)
In Canada, freedom of speech is an unknown luxury because of a law called Section13. Section 13 began in the early ‘80’s by the CHRCs (Canadian Human Rights Commissions) in order to censor hate speech as they put it. This is defined in Section 13 as anything “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.” Hate speech is a crime, like the novel, 1984, called a thought crime. It’s a complicated law that protects certain groups of people such as Muslims, but not Christians. And gays, but not straight people.
Kathy Shaidle is a Canadian blogger and a published writer who has been speaking out against Section 13 through her book, “The Tyranny of Nice: How Canada Crushes Freedom in the Name of Human Rights” and she recently wrote an article explaining the complicated history of Section 13 on FrontPage Magazine here: http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=95F30557-369D-47BA-AC6E-99C0CB173C43
I recently spoke to Shaidle via e-mail about her life as a writer in a country where you can’t say anything you want and how she believes this threat may be crossing over into America.
Q: How long have you been blogging?
A: I started blogging in 2000, so this is my ninth year.
Q: What got you into blogging?
I fell in love with proto-blogs like RobotWisdom, Arts & Letters Daily and PopCultureJunkMail. When I heard about the free Blogger platform, I started using it as a handy way to keep track of all the weird religion news stories I saw on the net. I was writing a Toronto Star religion column at the time and blogging helped me keep column ideas ‘front of mind’. Eventually others started reading the blog. I don’t write for the Star any more but I’m still blogging.
Q: What do you blog about?
A: I write about religion, politics and culture from a conservative/libertarian, VERY politically incorrect perspective.
Q: Would I be able to have a link to your blog?
A: Sure:
http://www.FiveFeetOfFury.com
Q: Have you written for any publication?
A: I’ve written for all kinds of print publications since I became a professional writer: along with Canada’s major daily papers, I’ve written for the Dallas Morning News, Catholic World Report, the American Spectator and many other publications. I also write for online publications like FrontPageMag.com, PajamasMedia.com and other sites.
Q: How active of a role do you play against section 13?
A: I’ve been blogging about the abuses of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions and about Section 13 since Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn were charged with “hate speech.” This led to my co-authoring a book about the topic called The Tyranny of Nice: how Canada crushes freedom in the name of human rights, and why it matters to Americans.
Along with Ezra Levant and a number of other Canadian bloggers, I am being sued by ex-Human Rights Commission employee Richard Warman, for criticizing some of his methods when he was working there. Here is an example of what he admits to doing, under oath:
http://ezralevant.com/2008/05/chrc-bigoted-comment-of-the-da-1.html
I make a point of violating Section 13 on my blog every day. It is hard for anyone NOT to because of the “likely” clause in wording of the law. :-) Political correctness is a grave threat to our culture and I try to do my part to undermine it. The CHRC operates outside of the real Canadian justice system; it is like the real justice system is the Mayo Clinic, and the CHRC is Lucy’s sidewalk psychiatry booth in Peanuts.
Q: Do you feel things are getting better or worse with this fight
to stop it?
A: I feel things are improving in Canada slightly, but disintegrating elsewhere. American politicians are pondering the reintroduction of the Fairness Doctrine, Geert Wilders was barred from entering the UK. Few nations can rival England for their descent into politically correct censorship:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/6199/
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3789
Q: In your article in FrontPage Magazine, you say these commissions that enforce section 13 “aren’t ‘real’ courts. They operate outside the criminal justice system in an Orwellian world of their own.” When I first heard of section 13, 1984 immediately popped into my head. Have you heard a lot of people in Canada comparing the book to section 13?
A: Absolutely. But, as Dennis Miller says, he never expected the bad guys in 1984 to be on the Left! My coauthor feels the comparison to Brave New World is more apt:
http://www.twoorthree.net/2008/10/the-tyranny-of-nice-how-canada-crushes-freedom-in-the-name-of-human-rights.html
Q: There is obviously a strong protest against section 13 in Canada, but are there a decent amount of citizens who support it? Have you met one and debated about it? If so, what has been their reasoning?
A: The reasoning behind it is that laws against ‘hate speech’ will ‘prevent the next Holocaust’.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/05/21/mark-freiman-makes-the-case-for-censoring-hate.aspx
http://ezralevant.com/2009/02/two-ottawa-speeches.html
however, those sorts of laws didn’t prevent the FIRST one, so:
http://www.macleans.ca/canada/opinions/article.jsp?content=20080423_31672_31672
Q: How do you personally try to undermine section 13 everyday?
A: If you look at my blog, you’ll see that I discuss racial, political, religious etc issues in politically incorrect ways. I insult everyone, from the Amish to Zulus. What I write wouldn’t actually be considered that odd if I were saying it from the stage of a comedy club. However, most of my enemies don’t get out much.
Q: If you undermine section 13 everyday, how are you getting away with it and others are not?
A: Because no one has brought an HRC case against me — yet. That may be about to change :-)
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2009-02-17-0001/
Q: Your friend that referred me to you was at first very cautious to talk to me, and apologized for seeming so paranoid. What convinced he/she to talk to me was when I gave my school e-mail address. If I got in touch with you at first, would you have been just as cautious? Why or why not?
A: Yes, I would have because people who work at the HRC use the internet to entrap people all the time:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/canada%E2%80%99s-human-rights-kangaroo-court/
